By Sri Chiraan
• When eighth lord is in lagna, the native is Vishnu drohi
• When tenth lord is in eighth native engages in devaninda
• When eighth lord is in eighth, native is anyathavadi [Vitand]
• When eighth lord is in ninth one is nastik [atheist], pashandi
• When saturn and Rahu are in eighth one indulges in Himsa [violence]
Vishnu took avatara as “budhdha” to delude many ‘tripurasuras’. Some of these were reborn as sons of Jin and came to be known as Jains.
Jains refute violence.
They believe in Ahimsa.
People believing in Vedas carry out yagnya. In yagnya Pashu
himsa [animal sacrifice] is common. Jains say this is deplorable, and hence it
is violence and against dharma. Thus Vedas are not truth and not acceptable.
Pontiff Vadiraaj says "Oh Jains, your ancestor Jin [the
one who has propagated your philosophy] was born in Kaliyuga. Even before he
was born, Indra has done 100 ashvamedha yaga and became eligible for Indra post.
Bramha obtained the post of Bramha by performing ‘Rajsuya yaga’ Vashishtha, Prithuchakravarthi etc infinite people have done yagas. Were these all
ancestors ignorant than Kali born Jina".
Jains proclaim "Pashuhimsa in yagnya is noble to you because
it was carried out by Indra and others, as they were born before Jina. Then we
ask you your Sri Madhvacharya was born after Jina was born. Then why is Jain
philosophy brought before birth of Madhacharya not acceptable?
Jains, so just as Jain philosophy though born before Madhvacharya is challenged
by you, similarly yagnya and pashu himsa is also susceptible to challenge even
if it is done prior to Jina".
Vadiraja, "our Madhvacharya has taken birth in Kaliyuga at
the same time he has accepted Vedas, and the culture of earlier born Indra and
others. But jina has taken birth in Kaliyuga and is challenging the prachin
anushthana [tradition].
So the comparison doesn’t stand, as it is the question of challenging tradition
ancient, and not person born ancient.
Just because Jina was born prior to so and so, his challenge to tradition cannot
be taken as acceptable because all born prior have not challenged tradition".
Jain, "Brahma, Indra have done Yagnya, you proclaim,! How should we believe that they have done so?”
Vadiraaj, "Bramha has done Rajsuya and the place is famous by name ‘Prayaag’
even today. Indra is famous as ‘Shatakratu’ [one who has done 100 yagnyas]. Vashishtha is known as ‘Paramyagnik’.
Vishwamitra is known to have taken RAMA to save yagnya in ‘Ramayana’.
Horses were known to be left to circle earth for Ashwamedha and many who
intercepted, battled out for supremacy! All these are well known in history
and famously recited traditionally for years.
Thus the yagnyas were done prior by Bramha Indra etc are without doubt
acceptable".
Jains, "Because Indra etc have done Yagnyas and Pashuhimsa
is part and parcel of yagnya, and thus it is acceptable is what you say! But
why cant we think these Bramha, Indra etc were under illusion that they got
results due to Yagnya, they might have as well got good fortunes without these
rituals as well? But it could be their illusion [Bhranthi, Bhrama] that they
have acquired good results through Yagnya! Why this cannot be true! How
should we believe that results came only because of pashu himsa in Vedic
rituals. They could have erred in doing so, and we say they have, and hence
Animal sacrifice is wrong".
Vadiraaj, "If results were achieved by mere simple exercises
like agricultural, ploughing etc, or any other simple less exerting exercises or phenomenon, then perhaps your statements that they might have been illusion may sustain.
But a Vedic ritual involves lot of expenditure, running into crores of rupees, and also it requires lot of exertion with regards to fasting months together, and resorting to penance and niyamas. Were so many infinite people Bramha and
Indra and others fools [aviveki] to have undergone so much labour and
exertion. Why would so many follow to [illusive] exercise, if it were [Bhrama]
and waste crores of rupees, and at the same time exertion of body. Will an
entire civilization spend and toil for benefits that were illusive.
How have you understood them as subject to illusion? Illusion can be resorted
to only when it is easily available or achievable, yagnyas like ashwamedha,
rajasuya are not easy, and effortless activities. So to make such activities one
has to be quite know-ledged, and sure!!".
Jains, "By killing [sacrificing] animals in rituals no result
would have been possible, it is cold blooded murder and cruelty onto animal"
Vadiraj, "Vedic mantras purify these animals and that becomes
havissa for the deity, and deity happy at it gives Swarga to the animal
[soul] sacrificed, and also to the performer goes to swarga"
"King gives salary [money] to the soldiers and asks them to fight a war, these soldiers die. They achieve swarga, and King by murdering [violence to soldier]
these soldiers on his behalf [giving money] is not known to have acquired sin.
Even this King also goes to swarga for waging war".
"Doctor undertake himsa [violence] while operating on
patients, they give misery to him and yet when he is cured he blesses Doctor. So Himsa is not always deplorable, at times it is acceptable in this world and
it is seen”
"Likewise before animal is subjected to violence and then it is also given
happiness in swarga, which all by itself this animal could never have got !!”
Jains, "So you accept that there is some element of dukha to animal while
sacrificing! Why cant we say that yagniks are adharmik because they are giving
dukha to animal".
Vadiraj, "Jin advises 'Shravak' vrat whereby 'keshollunchan' each strand of hair is uprooted, this this not painful and
dukhakar isn’t Jin who advices such a painful activity violent [himsak]. But
he advises so that end result is happy, and just as you accept him yagniks are
acceptable".
Jains, "Nobody has seen an animal sacrificed in ritual going
to swarga, so swargaprapti for animal is false".
Vadiraj, "Jains believe in the words of Jin, and resort to 'panchamaldharan' [i.e. withholding all the secretions of eyes, ears, mouth, genital and anus], expecting some happiness that is to come in future.
This happiness has also been not seen by anyone till date. How come you don’t
feel like animals [which incidentally also don’t clean mouth anus etc forever], and yet believe in this Jin for some expected happiness".
Jains, "Okay then we cannot establish our future happiness, and neither can you establish pashuhimasa as swargaprada, so are we not
sailing in the same boat".
Vadiraaj, "Definitely not!! Vashishtha etc had the ability
to go swarga, and there they have witnessed the sacrificed animal enjoying in
swarga! By the experiences of these great Rishis we have come to know about
happiness of sacrificed animals and also yagnyakarta".
"Jin is not known to be capable of foretelling the status of panchamaldhari’s, but vashishtha is famous as trikalgnyani".
Jin being so there is no proof either textual or fact!
To be contd ……………..
Krishnarpanamastu
