5th House - Pratibha

By Sri Chiraan 2009/06/15

If 5th house is exalted and there is a relationship with the lagna lord, And both lords are in vaisheshika amsa, there will be special skill acquired by the native. Jupiter exalted in vimsamsa and Jupiter in kanduka will give the same result. 

Karna’s specialist skill:

He could never be defeated if is not competing. I.e. If he is fighting for justice or fighting as a duty, no one can defeat him. This was the boon of Parshuraam.

If he is fighting in the chariot given by Parshuram, then he cannot be disarmed, or his chariot never perishes.

His bow Vijay if its string is cut it automatically regenerates. They can send thousands of arrows in one single shoot.

Karna had Kavach and Kundal, with which he cannot be killed piercing that kavach by anyone who is below SUN deity.

Karna having Shakti in his hand any opponent is susceptible to death.

Karna had a special blessings of Krishna as Krishna himself was present in him at times. It is at these times that KARNA cannot be equalled by anyone. But then it is Krishna, and not Karna who is unrivalled in him. It was this presence of Krishna as avesha that caused fear among all the opponents.

Karna’s shortfall:

Karna had the curse of Parshuram that whenever he fights to obtain selfish desires, or competes on the footings of wrong intent, he will lose.

Karna had another curse that he would forget all his skill when he requires them most. Karna had another curse that he will lose his chariot when his death nears.

Karna had a boon that his fame will remain unsullied, and he will achieve what he was always clamouring for, to be called equal to Arjun.

Arjun’s special skill:

Arjun’s quiver never exhausted, they will automatically be filled with arrows. All others will have to carry arrows, but Arjun need not. He will always have quiver full of arrows. This was a special quiver.

Arjun’s bow could dispel eight variety of arrows:

a> One which can create a thousand arrows.

b> One which can create illusions , one which can show fiery images to opponents.

c> One which can cover entire battlefield to darkness with arrows.

d> One which can shield him from opponent arrows with a sheath of arrows 

e> One which can kill selectively from amongst the group 

f> One which can make visible invisible opponents 

g> Arrows which can search its target and hit. 

h> One which just touches the opponent without killing or hurting him.

Arjuns Gandiva was a bow, which could not be cut or its string does not slit. It produced sound that can kill a hundreds of elephants. Clouds rained just by the shriek of Gandiva.

Arjuns horses could not be slained. They can run in all 10 directions. They don’t tire and fly in the air as well. Arjuns chariot could not be destroyed. Up to one mile of chariot no ordinary arrows can even pierce its range leave alone reach Arjun.

The flag of chariot contained Hanuman, who by blowing wind through his mouth dispelled a storm, and enemy weapons and enemies like small soldiers would get blown away by the wind.

Arjun’s charioteer was Krishna who drove his chariot so fast that even before Arjun’s arrows touched the target, Arjuns chariot would have crossed it.

Arjun could pull arrow from both his hands, and could fight enemy invisible only through his sound. He could hit even at the leg of fly. He could send arrows as long as 200 yojan, that's 1600 miles.

Both Karna and Arjun could fight simultaneously with 1 Lakh Warriors along with their Armies.

Arjun and Karna’s shortfall - they were ordinary if without Astras. Karna needed both Boons and Astras to win. Arjun needed Astras only.

Bheema's speciality:

He was of superior most strength. He never used Astras. He was faster than Astra.

He was hotter than Astra i.e. Astras got burnt to ashes when touched Bheema.

He could dispel any Astra by his mere speed and strength. He had strength even in his skin. The weapons never hurt him as he could easily cut them through his hands and fists.

His hit of fists powdered mountains. He killed elephants and soldiers with fists only. He could kill 2 crore people in two vighatika 48 seconds.

He could fly, pierce through fire without getting hurt. He ran faster than chariots. He obstructed chariots by killing elephants and piling it all around the chariot.

His roar deafened horses and they died on the spot vomiting blood. He was terrible in the war, enemies ran away just by seeing him hence

He is known as BHEEMSEN. As Bheem only relied on strength and no astras or boons, he was the superior most Warrior.

Krishnarpana

Summary of Debate Arjun vis a vis Karna - 2

By Sri Chiraan 2009/06/13

Debaters
Surya | Chiraan

Observers
Sonu | Renu | Nilesh | Sundara | Neeraj 

Jury Hariprasad

Surya wants to settle the issue of Translation and original Sanskrit before going to new points.

He cites! 1. Ganguly, 2. M N Dutt, 3. R C Dutt, 4. Lal, to say Karna stringed the Bow.

Chiraan says all these authors have different versions, and they do not match with Sanskrit.

Hariprasad shows where Ganguly mentions Radha's son as failed for a shloka, R C Dutt shows it Shishupala failed, and MN Dutt shows it as Jarasandha Failed.
If Surya says they are all authentic, how these are different translation for same shloka.

Surya says: Although he does not know Sanskrit, they are all correct translations, and jury Hariprasad has no ability to read. There is no difference at all. He challenges to show the verses in Sanskrit by Chiraan where Karna failed or made an attempt.

Chiraan shows the verse, Surya says it is fabricated.

Chiraan says it is same Shloka which is mentioned in his site where Ganguly translation resides.

Surya says: The Sanskrit version at site is not acceptable, but Ganguly is acceptable.
If Chiraan can show same Sanskrit for MN Dutt [or if he proves M N Dutt translated from so and so Sanskrit] he would accept.

Hariprasad jury shows, In Sanskrit name Karna failed, and M N Dutt by the side of English he skips the name Karna. This is dubious.

Surya claims its the publishers mistake, he has pulled one Sanskrit version and printed against Dutt translation.

Chiraan says, Dutt mentions that it is Kolkata edition Sanskrit from where he has derived,
Ganguly says he has derived from Neelkantha and resorted to Bengali rendition.

LAL also confirms this in his book. P N Mullick also criticizes the interpolation and incidentally this book is co authored by MN Dutt .
So Ganguly shows error in writing Radha's son. LAl and Dutt agree Ganguly has interpolated. All these have derived from Bhasa. Who has written two plays [not translation] making a hero out of Duryodhan and Karna.

Such plays and its views cannot be accepted as authentic translation.

Surya feigns, he cannot see any such proof provided by the links. Whereas all the observers find them a learning experiences.

Surya says he accepts Vyasa Sanskrit, but is not ready to accept the shloka given by Chiraan, as there is scope for misinterpretation.

Chiraan says same shlokas are available in all sites on the internet, and no other version is available. And hence they have to be Vyasa Sanskrit shlokas, and the word "Karna" is clearly visible, and hence there is no scope for misinterpretation for word "Karna".

Surya says, all the sites showing that shloka are corrupt versions of Sanskrit including his own sacred-texts site [self contradictory].

Sundara exclaims Surya is wrong in his logic.

Renu feels Surya has clearly failed.

Neelesh finds Surya's logic utter nonsense. He admits he was fan of Karna after watching BRC tele-serial, but now after learning Karna debacles he has a change of mind.
He concludes Arjun is the best among the warriors and Karna is least evil among evils.

Neeraj finds it difficult to understand as why Chiraan is quoting Vivekananda, when he is not accepting his views .
Hariprasad unanimously says the logic of Surya is untenable.

Sonu puts forward following questions:

1. After Draupadi swayamvar Karna is defeated by Arjun.

2. Karna was defeated in Gandharva episode. He was captivated [fled by some] abandoning Duryodhan and army. He was rescued by ARJUN.

3. In Viraat episode Arjun single handedly defeats Drona, Bheeshma, and Karna all put together, and Karna flees from the battlefield.

4. When Drona demands gurudakshina to capture Drupada. Duryodhan along with Karna attack Drupad, but is defeated and rooted, and driven away. Arjun wins Drupad.

Why did Karna lose here [he had kavach kundal and boons everything]? Doesn't these loses prove him to inferior.

Surya defends: 

1. Karna was unprepared, he did not expect Bramhin to be serious adversary and hence lost.

2. In Gandharva episode, Karna was surprised [if you are expecting Veerappan and suddenly if you find Israelis what can you do], so because of element of surprise [gandharva was superior] was there he lost. Show similar incident for Arjun and I shall accept.

3. In Viraat parva too he was not aware Arjun was before him, hence he was unprepared.
Unpreparedness makes a warrior vulnerable. It is common and need not hamper Karna's greatness .

Chiraan shows: Arjun similarly fought chitrarathj gandharva when he did not even have a bow and arrow, and surprising attack in night, he hurled torch as astra and defeated gandharva.

Surya how can a gandharva be thought of formidable opponent. You must show some serious incident [Karna lost to Gandharva because gandharva was superior, yet when Arjun wins without weapons, it is just gandharva] [self contradictory].

Hariprasad jury points out,
How come Bramhin [Arjun in disguise] was not taken seriously by Karna, he had just demonstrated a superior skill, which all kshatriyas and Karna himself could not achieve [stringing of bow and hitting of fish]. Having witnessed superior skill Karna should have been more prepared, and Karna led the attack. So did he lead without preparation.

Surya says Karna thought it was roadside Bramhin who could have got a boon to win swayamvar, but will perform miserable in duel. [self contradictory].

Chiraan says if that was true why did all kshatriyas together fought one single Bramhin. Jarasandha was most feared demon in those days, when he failed and Bramhin succeeded that means he was superior to Jarasandha. At least Karna should have estimated that and he was prepared and defeated.

Hariprasad, shows in Viraat, Drona declares its Arjun coming to fight, and then Karna says even if it is Arjun he can vanquish, these words show he was well prepared, and he did see Arjun before him and knew it was Arjun. And he lost pathetically and fled the battlefield.

Surya, says karna was expecting Viraats, but he saw Arjun at the last moment, and there was no time for preparation, hence Karna was unprepared, and hence lost, but that does not show him to be less than Arjun.
Otherwise Why Yudhisthir will say he lost sleep for 13 years thinking about Karna despite these setbacks.
Chiraan Yudhisthir has said same thing about Krishna too, he said how can we vanquish Jarasandha, as Krishna himself could not vanquish him.
Yudhisthir is known to worry unnecessarily, his worry does not make Karna a great. By his worry even Krishna is susceptible to Jarasandha [which is clearly unacceptable].

Hariprasad, jury asks In Drupad war, it is clearly mentioned that Duryodhan and Karna, and all brothers get into competition as to who will first get to Drupad. Here Karna is well prepared. Karna knows the opponents as Drupad and Panchalas. He knows their strength, and he was fully equipped with kavach kundal, and bow VIJAY everything.
Then why did he lose ?

Surya says this was Drona's war, and Karna was not interested in winning it. He was less enthusiastic so he lost. We cannot consider this loss as mark of inferiority. [Self contradictory]. Karna lost even when prepared. And opponent Surya accepts it.

Haripasad, Jury says Surya's remarks defies elementary logic. 
Karna lost to Drupad, Arjun thrice, Gandharva, Bheemasen, Ghatotkach, Satyaki, Abhimanyu. He also failed to string the bow in Draupadi Swayamvar. So with so many failures Karna cannot be declared as supreme warrior.
Arjun is undoubtedly a superior warrior than Karna, as he never lost a battle until Krishna was there on the earth.

Krishnarpana

Summary of Debate on Arjun vs Karna - 1

By Sri Chiraan 2009/06/04

Debator
Surya | Chiraan
Jury
Hariprasad, Amit, Nilambar
Obsever
Sonu, Nilesh

Chiraan invites Surya to a debate on:

Whether is Karna is Superior to Arjun? 
Was Karna Evil?
Chiraan starts the debate with invitation to decide which is authentic translation of MAHABHARATA! Surya refuses to be drawn into debate on what is authentic, and what is unauthentic? He also refuses to be drawn into deciding what is evil?

Chiraan concludes that authentic translations should not contain anomalies, and should remain faithful to the original Sanskrit Mahabharat by Vyasa, and translation should conform to traditions of India.

Chiraan offers Surya to raise questions!

Surya opens debate with the birth of Karna:

1. Had Kunti not abandoned Karna at birth, Karna would have been taught by Drona .Would not have attracted curses.
2. He would have occupied the throne.
3. He would not have been abused racially.
4. He would have married Draupadi.
5. Duryodhan would not have waged war.
So Kunti is irresponsible mother and the main reason for the debacle of Karna.

Chiraan argues:

1. Kunti is solely responsible for betterment of Karna. She is one woman who never had sex in her Life. Karna was not born out of premarital sex, but as a boon from Durvasa through SUN, who himself incarnated through her womb. Both Karna and Sun were uninvited guests to her house, she was all but six years of age. When she was not in a position of raising the child, she ensured him better upbringing:
a. By giving him Kavach Kundal [physical protection].
b. Protection of Father [Sun always spoke to Karna in distress].
c. Enough money / diamonds to ensure RADHA raises him.

Surya argues: Had she confessed to Pandu about her son, he would have agreed to make him King.

Chiraan: Even if she had agreed, Karna would not become King as he is not son of Pandu.

Kunti having given him up saved him from being called KANIN, and people of Hastinapur would not accept a KANIN to be a King, as was evident when Duryodhan raised doubts over Yudhisthir none objected until Vedavyasa came, and told that they were born in presence of PANDU.
Since he was not suspected as KANIN, Karna got best education from Parshuram [GOD] himself better than Arjun.
He got best astras and weapons than ARJUN.
He got better education is known from the fact that he exhibited all that Arjun exhibited during tournament.
Karna could not have become KING.
Duryodhan made him a king against the rule of land.

Surya: when his archery was exhibited why was he not eligible to become a king. Why did Bheema abuse him.

Chiraan: A suta is not kshatriya, he is charioteer but a higher caste. A suta cannot become King. only kshatriyas become King, a caste is determined not by birth but by sanskar [rites] that are performed. Karna had rites of SUTA so he remained a suta. A suta cannot challenge a Prince, so unequal warfare was stopped between Karna and Arjun.

Surya Drona rejected Karna on grounds of caste? Injustice.

Chiraan: Drona did not reject Karna on basis of Caste, but he rejected him because the he was teaching only princes of Hastinapur.

Surya: Parshuram would have rejected Karna had he told he was Kshatriya or suta, so he lied to him as Bramhin and got education ! He was smarter.

Chiraan: God is all knowing, he knew Karna was Kshatriya and hence he taught him, but since he lied, he was cursed. Had he told he was suta he would have got education as suta is higher caste and given education in gurukul.
But Karna wanted to excel in astra vidya more than other kshatriyas, hence he lied as Bramhins had more astra vidya than kshatriya. Proof Ashwaththama showed more proficiency in tournament than Karna and Arjun.

Surya : What’s wrong in zeal ?

Chiraan: Teacher never teaches looking at zeal of the student, but at the capacity of the student, zeal is not virtue!

So it was good fortune of Karna he had better education than Arjun, and God gave him so, and not because Karna tricked him, else that would raise doubts over all knowing quality of GOD, which is clearly unacceptable.

Surya: Karna would have married Draupadi, as he would not have been rejected by Draupadi as suta, and he would have hit the fish in swayamvar.

Chiraan: Karna failed in Swayamvar, he could not string the bow leave aside hitting the mark.
Surya has been all along debating upon relying on Kisari Mohan Ganguly Translation of Mahabharata.
But the same translation shows in one passage Karna as being rejected by Draupadi, just as he strung the bow and was ready to hit the mark. In the very next passage Ganguly writes Karna along with Shalya failed in stringing the bow.
This constitutes anomaly and renders the translation as unauthentic.

Surya: The verse where People failed to string the bow are: Radha’s son, Vakra and Shalya, here Radha’s son is another son of RADHA [Karna’s brother and not Karna].

Chiraan: Was this Radha’s son not suta, then how Draupadi did not object to this one participating .

Surya says Draupadi had a double standard.

Chiraan: If Ganguly’s version is translation, then in original Sanskrit it is written as “KARNA’ and “SHALYA” as failed to string and not Radha’s son. Ganguly has tampered the text by translating KARNA as Radha’s son .

Surya accuses Chiraan of being like mullahs and evangelist, who resort to Arabic or Hebrew when cornered.

Chiraan: Whether Hebrew or Arabic or Sanskrit, a word Karna would mean Karna only.

Chiraan gives alternate translation from Russian library and ISCKON writings. This version of ADI parva Mahabharata says Karna did not string the bow, and failed in Swayamvar and there was no abuse from Draupadi.

C.Rajgopalachary renowned Sanskrit scholar says Karna did not string the bow but failed by hairs breadth.
Swaminathan in his book also says Karna failed. This book is read in universities.
Swamy Vivekananda expresses Karna was not rejected by Draupadi.

Surya says, these are all abridged versions and drawn from internet dustbin, and cannot be taken as authentic. Ganguly is authentic because it is approved by Wikepedia.
Chiraan shows Wikepedia is not authentic as anyone can change contents.

Jury Amit agrees Radha’s son is Karna only. But raises a doubt if Karna could string VIJAY a bow given by Parshuram then how could he not string relatively lesser bow. So common sense suggests Karna strung the bow.

Chiraan: Though Vijay is superior bow, it is a boon from Parshuram and Karna could lift it with boon. So could Arjun lift Gandeev because of boon, so also Drupad’s bow was presented with a rider only Arjun could string. Moreover Gandeev and Vijay were celestial bows did not require stringing as they were auto strung.

Surya says: Karna stringing is there in authentic RC DUTT translation, why it cannot be deemed that Chiraan is fabricating incidents, rather than Ganguly who is acclaimed by scholars?

Jury Hariprasad says, R C Dutt has also fabricated as, instead of Radha’s son, he has written Shishupal, if Ganguly is authentic then it becomes Radha’s son as failed, and RC DUTT says Shishupala. How come two authentic translation give different translation of same verse.
It shows anomaly. He gives verdict as Karna did not abuse and did not string the bow and failed in swayamvar.

Chiraan says:
The whole of Mahabharat is recited by SUTA, the son of Lomaharshan. The very first verse in Mahabharata starts with Saunaka asking Oh Son of Suta, please recite Mahabharata.
Suta is born to Bramhin mother and Kshatriya Father. If both parents are higher caste, how s the child relegated to be abused caste. Then how come Saunaka rishi and other Bramhin rishis are learning from SUTA the great epic of Mahabharta.

The Ganguly text translates the first verse as SAUTI say's instead of Suta uvacha.

The first verse itself has anomaly. So Suta is not a racial abuse, and pseudo sympathy for Karna as being abused as SUTA does not stand logically as he never was abused.

He clearly failed in Swayamvar. If Draupadi were not interested in him, then he would not have been invited, twice DRUPAD and Dhristadhyumn mention his name as invitee to the swayamvar. If he was unwelcome his name would have been struck or never mentioned. After mentioning his name, Drupad and Dhristadhyumn makes a vow that whoever strikes will get Draupadi. So Draupadi could not have gone against the words of Father and Brother as she was epitome of virtue.
So Karna clearly failed in Swayamvar and thus HE was inferior to ARJUN.

Neutral Jury Nilambar upholds the view of Chiraan. Observers Sonu and Nilesh also feel the arguments by Surya are insufficient to Prove Karna succeeded in Swayamvar.

Krishnarpana

Lord Krishna Praises Karna

By Sri Chiraan 2009/05/18

One of the strongest points that followers of Karna [as invincible] have is the words of Krishna praising Karna, on the eve of death of Ghatotkach. Krishna say’s:

• Karna is given to austerities
• Karna is one abiding by Bramhins and Devatas
• Karna is not given to falsehood
• [He says to Parshuram, I am anatha, all orphans and other creatures as well are children of GOD, you are GOD and YOU are Bramhin, thus I said I am Bramhin]

Karna cannot be slayed by INDRA, YAMA, VARUNA

Karna, cannot be vanquished with even Sudarshan Chakra 

All this because He has Kavach Kundal.

What was so great about Kavach Kundal. It was an armour given as boon to KARNA by SURYA.

Can a boon by Surya make Karna invincible even to Devatas and Narayana? let us analyse:

• Nivat kavach rakshas too had boon of kavach, nothing could pierce the kavach. Kavach could not be cut or destroyed by Devatas. This was the boon given to nivat kavach by BRAMHA.
• Indra gives his vajrayudh and Kirit [hence ARJUN is called KIRITI] to ARJUN and sends him to fight with nivat kavach. Arjun destroys the Kavach of nivath kavach and makes Indra happy. [Boon is overtaken].
• Jarasandha had boon of Shiva, never to die and be immortal, but Bheema kills him [boon is surpassed].
• Jayadrath had boon that he would be invincible to all Pandavs, but as Pashupat astra was given to Arjun, Shiva made it clear that except Arjun he would be invincible over Pandavs but only for a day. Bheema earlier had overtaken Shiva boon, but here HE let the boon happen, for Abhimanyu had to die. [Boon honoured].
• Kaalyavan had a boon by Shiva that He would kill Krishna, but contrarily he died at the sight of MUCHIKUNDA. [Boon overtaken][Boon to Muchikunda honoured].
• Samshaptakas had boon from Shiva [not to lose in a battle] but lose terribly to Arjun.      [Boon overtaken].
• Kritavarma had a boon from Krishna, that he would be Invincible on a chosen day. [Boon honoured ].
• Satyaki had a boon from Krishna, that he would be invincible for a day. [Boon honoured when he defeats all the kauravas].
• Bhagadatta had a vaishnav astra from VARAHA Vishnu. [Boon honoured, as no Pandav ventured as long as he had the astra, when Krishna took on himself, he was killed by PAndav]. [Boon nullified].
• Shrutdhanva had a mace which would make him invincible but would hit him back if he used it on unarmed, it fell on Krishna and his head blew up . [ boon nullified ]

So at times boons were honoured and at times boons were dishonoured to show that KRISHNA is the master of the UNIVERSE, and not the bestower of these boons. Thus he indiscriminately, randomly, honoured or dishonoured at his will. The fact that boons were dishonoured shows mere boons does not make one INVINCIBLE.

Krishna’s Sudarshan has never come back without destroying the enemy when used. So karna cannot be immune to it, as even greater Rakshasas having boons of invincibility are known to have succumbed to SUDARSHAN CHAKRA. Bhagavat is testimony to it. Entire puranas sing glory of VISHNU with CHAKRA having never failed.  Krishna has shrouded SUN himself with the Chakra [Jayadrath killing], when SUN himself was overpowered, where his boons stand.

KARNA is mere a mortal and pitiable mortal at that.

With KAVACH Kundal on he was vanquished by many. There is a incident in the Mahabharata where, Bheema hits the Kavach during RAJASUYA digvijay, it hurts Karna to the point of death, just to honour Parshuram’s words and Surya’s boon, he does not break it.

Karna accepts the sovereignty of YUDHISTHIR and pays taxes. Rajsuya yagya is completed .[without Karna accepting defeat, this Yagnya would not have deemed complete as Raajsuya is meant for rulership of all the world, Karna was part of world.

No great warrior gives /accepts superiority till his life / death, only when HE has love of LIFE, he accepts defeat. Karna feared losing LIFE despite KAVACH KUNDAL. This is also reflected in GANDHARVA episode, KARNA was captivated, a warrior will give life rather than get captivated. One gets captivated when he is helpless and fears life. Otherwise war takes place unto death.

So kavach and Kundal were not something that could save Karna’s LIFE. Sudarshan is a highest weapon, its use would definitely KILL KARNA, but as Lord VOWED not to use weapons, using SUDARSHAN was unwarranted. ALSO as PArshuram Lord has promised protection to KARNA as long as he is without jealousy. BUT KARNA could never get rid of JEALOUSY towards ARJUN to the point he could not abide by LORD KRISHNA and KUNTI and SURYA [the giver of KAVACH].

It was Karna’s inability to overcome SHADVAIRI [ KAAM KRODHA LOBHA MADA MOHA MATSARYA] that made him lose despite all the boons. All the good fortunes became useless:

• His repentance of not having Drona’s tutorship was well compensated by PARSHURAM [Drona ‘s guru] that made him equal to Drona himself [is it not good fortune].
• He was made KING of ANGA even before YUDHISTHIRA could acquire a KINGDOM [is it not good fortune].
• His skills were acknowledged and was praised everywhere [is it not good fortune].
• He acquired Another half of ANGA rajya from JARASANDHA [is it not good fortune].
• EVEN when Pandavs were languishing in forests, HE always had a Kingdom of his own and an emperor as a friend [is it not good fortune].
• He had the protection of highest Kind [ KAVACH and KUNDAL] [is it not good fortune].
• His father SURYA always spoke to him in the times of distress [is it not good fortune].
• He was recognised by the whole world as a potential rival to ARJUN by whole world [ Takshak’s son chose him to take revenge] [is it not good fortune]. [Getting support of enemies enemy].
• He was even offered a chance to Rule over his Rival ARJUN by KRISHNA [is it not a good fortune].
• Except for the sanskara of SUTA, all his life he led a life akin to a glorified  KSHATRIYA.[is it not a good fortune].

He turned a blind eye to all these fortunes and out of ego, pride and jealousy, sided with the evil and lost all the fortune and perished. KAvach KUndal were for his safety till he grew into an adult, boons are meant for doing good in this world, when one misuses them they are taken back. INDRA took back the KAVACH because Karna had to be killed for his misdeeds. Boon of SURYA would be falsified. GOD CHOSE TO HONOUR SUN . [ALSO IT SAVED KARNA FROM UTTER DISGRACE again good fortune].

MORAL : Never succumb to shadvairi [KAAM KRODHA LOBHA MADA MOHA MATSARYA], all your good fortunes notwithstanding you shall perish unaided by LORD KRISHNA .

Krishnarpana

Karna - The Astrologer

By Sri Chiraan 2009/05/18

When Krishna the lord of Universe offers Karna the lordship of the World to leave Duryodhan and side with Pandavas .

Karn said – “You are right, Krishn, I now know that whatever you have said to me that  Kuntee bore me when she was a maiden through her connection with Soorya. At the command of Soorya she abandoned me as soon as I was born without thinking of my welfare. Soot Adhirath found me and took me home. There his wife Raadhaa brought me up with all her affection. Adhirath gave me the name Vasusen. When I grew up, I married the wives according to his selections. I have now sons grandsons through them. My all rites and religious duties are performed with Soot. With Duryodhan I have enjoyed sovereignty for over 13 years. Now when Duryodhan has decided to fight with Paandav considering me as against Arjun, I cannot go back because of fear, death or bloodshed. If I do not indulge with Arjun in single combat, it will be an insult to both of us. 

I am sure that Paandav will do whatever you have said but for now, you must hide this for the benefit of both of us. Let Yudhishthir be king for ever. He has collected a great crowd of warriors. I am repenting for what I said to Paandav. Duryodhan is going to do a Yagya. When you will see me slain by Arjun then Punachiti of this Yagya will begin, when you will see Bheem drinking the blood of Dushaasan’s chest then the Som drinking of this Yagya will take place, and when the two sons of Drupad – Shikhandee and Drishtdyumn will overthrow Bheeshm and Drone, then this Yagya will be suspended for interval. When Bheem will kill Duryodhan then the Yagya of Duryodhan will be concluded. When all Kuru women will lament for their husbands and sons in the battlefield without their protector, it will be the last bath of this Yagya. [ Karna predicts the future ]

I just pray you that don’t let these Kshatriya be perished miserably for thy sake. Let them die by weapons in the most sacred place among the three worlds. Whatever you have in mind, accomplish it on this spot only. Till I face Arjun in the field, keep our talks secret.”

Krishn said – “O Karn, Don’t you wish to rule over the whole world? You know that Paandav’s victory is certain. Divine Bhaum has set up Hanumaan banner like Indra’s banner. Extended for one Yojan it will never be obstructed by any thing. When Arjun will twang his bow then that signs off all Yug (Sat, Tretaa and Dwapar). All kings will get excellent state after dying for Duryodhan in the battlefield.” Karn worshipped Krishn and said – “Knowing everything why do you want to baffle me? This war is going to happen. The great fierce planet Shani (Saturn) is afflicting the Nakshatra Rohinee which indicates the destruction on Prithvi. Mars is coming to Nakshatra  Anuraadhaa through Jyeshthaa indicating a great a slaughter of friends. Certainly a great calamity will come over Kuru family when the planet Mahaapat will afflicts the Nakshatra Chitraa. Moon’s position has changed and Raahu is also proceeding towards Soorya. A black circle surrounding the solar disc appears to view.” [ Karna’s command on astrology can be seen here ]

Krishn said – “Yes, The destruction of the world is at hand but you are not agreeing for it.” Karn said – “If we have come out of the war then we will meet here again, otherwise we shall surely meet in Heaven.” and embraced Krishn very hard. Keshav dismissed him and he came back with us.”

Kunti went to Gangaa River where she heard Vedic mantra chanting by her son. Karn was standing facing east, so Kuntee stood waiting behind him burning in hot Sun. Then she shifted under the shade of upper cloth of Karn. And Karn continued his prayers until his back was very hot with Sun. Then he turned back and was surprised to see Kuntee standing there. He saluted her properly and bowing his head Vrish (Karn), the son of Vikartan (Adhirath), said to her – “I am Karn, Raadhaa and Adhirath’s sson. Why have you come here and what can I do for you?”

Kuntee said – “You are Kuntee’s son, not Raadhaa’s, nor your father is Adhirath, nor you are born in a Soot family. I bore you when I was a maiden. You were born in the palace of Kuntibhoj. I gave you birth in my father’s house along with Kavach and Kundal on your body. You stand in Duryodhan’s camp not knowing your brothers, is not proper. Duryodhan has wickedly snatched Yudhishthir’s wealth. You take that wealth back from them and enjoy it. Let people call you like Raam Balraam. If you both are united what is in this world which cannot be accomplished?”

As Kuntee finished, Karn heard a soft loving voice coming from Soorya – “What Prithaa is saying is true. Follow her words, it is for your good.” Karn could not answer immediately because his heart was following only truth. He said – “I cannot accept what you have said to me. Although I should obey you as you are my mother. You abandoned me as soon as I was born. This was the greatest injury you did to my life and fame. Thus I was deprived of all the rights of Kshatriya. You have never thought about my good before this and you are telling me something for my good today? Who is not afraid of Arjun? And if I go to Paandav today, people will say that “I did so because of fright”. Just to fulfill my own desires how can I leave Duryodhan’s friendship? They always respect me, bow down to me and wait on me. I will surely fight with Paandav. However except Arjun, your other four sons will not be slain by me. I will fight only with Arjun. Whether he will be slain, or me, in both cases my life will be glorified and your five sons will always be alive.”

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Points to be noted in the above speech by Karna:

• Karna knew he was going to be slained by ARJUN.
• Karna had complete knowledge of the Planetary scenario at the Mahabharata WAR, he was great astrologer as he completely predicts the future about Bheem slaying Kauravs.
• Karna was chanting Vedic mantra [Only higher caste chant Vedic mantra. Karna was not considered low born as depicted, soota is not low caste or untouchable].
• One’s birth is not alone important in determining caste as much as his sanskara, Karna had sanskara as SOOTA, mark Karna’s words, and hence he remained a SOOTA all along, even if Duryodhan gave him Kingdom, even if he was born a Kshatriya. This was the point made in Vidyapradarshan BY BHEESHMA, when he objected to Arjun fighting Karna. That a Kshatriya should not fight with Soota at the competition .
• Karna admits to Duryodhan’s Sovereignty to as recent as 13 years, and not from the day He was made the King - why?

• Karna was made the King when Yudhisthir and Duryodhan were around 25 years of Age.
• Then intermittently Pandavas suffered treason in Varnavat.
• Then they were married in disguise.
• When Pandavas went to Vanvas, Yudhisthir was 57 years old.
• When they came back Yudhisthir was 70 years old.
• So Karna should have told 50 years of sovereignty, why 13 years .
• Because After Raajsooya Yagnya his Kingdom was snatched by BHEEMASEN and given back to him after his  acceptance of sovereignty  of Yudhisthir .
• The kingdom of Yudhisthir was usurped in dice by Duryodhan, and hence 13 years of sovereignty.

Karna is persuaded by Lord, but to only fight Arjun he refuses Krishna’s Proposal [ Lord’s command is not so important for him than his prestige [ego] that he will be declared coward. Lord could have as well made him a hero had he accepted, NO faith!].

Karna is persuaded by Kunti and SOORYA. He admits he must obey them, but cannot for the desire of fighting Arjun. Karna does not grant what his MOTHER asks for, only for his good! [DAANVEER of no use to MOTHER ].

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Superiority of Arjun vis-a-vis Karna - A Debate

By Sri Chiraan 2009/05/17

Karna failed in Swayamvar. He failed to even string the bow. 

Surya, counters Radha’s son is not KARNA but brother of Karna.

“And that bow which Rukma, Sunitha, Vakra, Radha’s son, Duryodhana, Salya, and many other kings accomplished in the science and practice of arms, could not even with great exertion, string”.

Views of Prof Pandurangi –

HOD Sanskrit  Bangalore University Rashtrapati awardee , MAHAMAHOPADHYAYA Tirupati Sanskrit University

“First Shishupala tried and failed. Then, Jarasandha, Shalya tried and failed. In the case of Karna a ticklish point is raised. According to North India recession of Mahabharatha Draupadi remarked that “Naham Variyam Sutham” I do not like to marry a charioteer. On the other hand when Arjuna asks Dhristadyumna whether a Brahmana can participate in the svayamwara contest, Dhristadyumna replies that “Brahmano Vatha Rajanyo Vaishyo va shudra aeva va?” Whetehr one is Brahmana, Kshatriya, Vaishya or Shudra if he can wield the bow and hit the mark, I shall give my sister. From this it is clear that Karna lost the chance by his incapacity bit not on the ground of his caste. The North Indian version seems to be interpolation.

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C Rajagopalachary view 

Sisupala, Jarasandha, Salya, and Duryodhana were among these unsuccessful aspirants. When Karna came forward, all the assemblage expected that he would be successful but he failed by just a hair’s breadth and the string slid back flashing and the mighty bow jumped out of his hands like a thing of life.

Vivekananda View

Now, there came kings and princes from different parts of India, all anxious to win the hand of the princess, and one after another they tried their skill, and every one of them failed to hit the mark. When all those princes failed in hitting the mark, then the son of King Drupada rose up in the midst of the court and said: “The Kshatriya, the king caste has failed; now the contest is open to the other castes. Let a Brahmana, even a Shudra, take part in it; whosoever hits the mark, marries Draupadi” Among the Brahmanas were seated the five Pandava brothers. Arjuna, the third brother, was the hero of the bow. He lifted the bow in his hand, strung it without any effort, and drawing it, sent the arrow right through the wheel and hit the eye of the fish. 

Then there was great jubilation. Draupadi, the princess, approached Arjuna and threw the beautiful garland of flowers over his head.

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Nara Narayan and Karna

By Sri Chiraan 2009/05/14

Karna was a demon by name Dambhodbhav in his previous birth. Dambodbhav did penance to Sun for many years. Pleased with his penance, Sun appeared before him and asked him to partake a boon. Dambodbhav asked for immortality. Sun said no one can become immortal, as all those who have taken birth should die, this the law of the nature set by NARAYANA, thus he can ask for something else.

Dambodbhav asked something that would be akin to immortality. He asked "oh Lord Sun kindly give me a 1000 KAvach – Kundal that should not break for at least 1000 years, and one who breaks it should die immediately". Sun grants him the boon. 

Dambodbhav smitten with pride created havoc in the world, and none could kill Dambodbhav, and none dared to fight as that would mean definite death. So when the world was besieged with the cruelty of Dambodbhav, sages and devatas went to Lord Narayana asked for the relief.

Lord Narayana took the form of two sages along with NARA. NARA-NARAYANA. The sages confronted the Demon, Narayana sat in meditation tapasya, for a 1000 years with mrit sanjeevani vidya, while nara would fight with Dambhodbhav. After 1000 years Nara would break the kavach and die, Narayana would bring him back to life and continue the fight. Nara would complete the tapasya for 1000 years as Narayana fought the battle and break another kavach, thus each would alternatively fight and practise tapasya and cut the kavach. This continued for 999 times in 1000000 years. The fight went on for 1000000 years, and when the last Kavach was left, Dambhodbhav fled the battle field and hid behind SUN in surya mandal, Sun gave him shelter. Nara Narayana demanded the demon to be handed over but SUN pleaded on behalf of him. Thus Nara cursed SUN to be born along with the demon and be killed.

For having given shelter to Demon and going against Narayana, Sun took the birth as KARNA along with suryavarman demon [ Dambhodbhav]. This time he was born with the 1000th kavach kundal naturally by the grace of previous boon by SUN.

Nara and NARAYANA were born again as Arjun and Krishna.

This kavach whoever breaks it would die and hence, had to be begged back by Indra. As demon would not give it, Karna had SUN also born in this birth as Amsa. With the quality of giving dana readily, SUN gave back the KAVACH he had been tricked to offer by DAMBHODBHAV, and created havoc in the world. Thus Indra tricked Dambhodbhav, and SUN rectified his mistake.

The presence of Dambhodbhav and Narkasur in the Karna made him undergo untold misery and misfortunes. But his previous tapasya and presence of SUN made him a hero as well. Apart from that due to immense devotion that Sugreeeva had done in Ramayana. Krishna himself manifested in KARNA to make him unparalleled due to Parshuram’s chariot and Bhargava astra. Whenever the whole Pandava ARMY trembled on account of KARNA, it was actually Krishna in him that made the balance in the WAR. At all such times, Karna won and became difficult to conquer like swayamvar of Jarasandha’s daughter, use of Bhargav astra, use of shakti, use of Bramhastra, riding Chariot of Parshuram etc.

As with Kavach on, had Arjun killed Karna, even Arjun would have lost his life, just like previous birth fight. Thus Kavach was taken away and returned to Suryaloka. Now Sun had to be released from runanubandha of Indra, on account of shelter to demon and also on account of killing VALI.

Thus he was killed unarmed to set right the score and make way for sun to go back to Surya Loka and NARA NARAYANA to return to NARAYANAASHRAMA in upper Badri .

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Karna - The unfortunate, jealous and egoistic Warrior

By Sri Chiraan 2008/11/25

The birth of Karna was an unfortunate event. But Sympathy for Karna Stops here. Because at every stage God having helped him Karna out rightly chose his own selfish path annoying several along the way. For example:

• When Drona refused to teach him, he went to Drona's Guru Shri Parshuram to learn the astras.
• He lied to God Parshurama that He is Brahmin to learn astras. (God Knowingly teaches him all, because God knew Duryodhan would  wage a war against Pandavas only on the confidence of Karna’s capability).
• But when caught Karna did not humbly accept his lie but persisted with it (Perhaps God would have forgiven him had he accepted). Hence he obtains curse that his learning will not help him in competition, all other times he would be unparalleled.
• Karna accepts friendship of Duryodhana only to oppose Arjun. (Lack of morals)
• When Father (Sun) advises him not to give kavach kundal to Indra, he disobeys Father and gives it away.
• When Mother Kunti asks him not to harm Pandavas, he displeases her saying he would kill Arjun
• When Lord Krishna offers him the entire Kingdom of the universe to join Pandavas as eldest brother in war, he rejects Lord’s suggestion and fights for Duryodhana. (Ego before the Lord)
• Was he loyal to Duryodhan? No, when Bheeshma calls him “ardharathi”, He does not enter battlefield for 10 days till Bheeshma falls. So much for a false friendship. (Given to anger)
• He was acclaimed as Daan Veer, but he had taken a vow that he would donate only till he kills Arjun, his dana was only out of ego and jealousy towards Arjun, to attain fame and not to please God or recipient .
• When Bheemasena strikes on his chariot, he hid under the chariot in fear leaving his shakti astra. He was defeated thrice by Bheemasena during Rajsuya yagna, this even when he had Kavach and Kunadala. (Was he veer).

When one annoys so many elders, and is disobedient, given to falsehood, bitten by jealousy and ego and anger, can one expect success? One becomes the architect of his own misfortunes. Karna fell due to failure of chariot, lapse of memory absence of kavach kundala and shakti of Indra.

People born under Aquarius lagna and navamsa are given to such characteristic, though they attain fame, and heroics in practical life it helps them in none, but only brings misfortunes. When both benefics and malefics aspect a particular house results are mixed in nature giving success and failure alternatively, provided both benefics and malefics are of equal strength.

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